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Eazydoesit
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:09 am    Post subject: separate chambers? Reply with quote

I built my first ported box with one 12 and I love it but I already want more I was thinking of isobaric but I don't think I will get what I want out of it so I figured out a way to build another box that will fit 2 12's but do to the shape of the box I can't seperate each chamber equally so that they will both have enough airspace. Does each speaker require a sperate chamber, or does it matter as long as there is enough airspace for both?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can do subs in different or same chamber. I dont really think that the difference will matter as long as it isnt that big of a difference.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can put 2 subs (or more) in a commpn chamber, provided the speakers are recieving the same input signal (mono) and same power (must power match if using multiple amplifiers on the subs).

Use seperate chambers in using a "STEREO" signal to the subs or IF you can't power match miltiple amplifiers. Confusing isn't it? lol
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys will it change spl or sq. at all as opposed to seperate chambers or is the only difference justhe input signal, also would I need to double the ft3 of my vent. Thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be a good idea to go with a larger vent area due to increased air volocity and volume. 50-70 in^2 is usually enough for a pair of 12" subs up to 1500 watts rms.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks X you the man I'm assuming as long as I add port volume and wire them mono you won't be able to tell if they are in a single chamber sound wise? Does it matter which way the vents are situated to the subs? I'm just guessing but it seems like if they were next to the subs and the air was hitting the back of the enclosure then coming out of the vents it would come out smoother and sound better and be a little louder? Thanks for all the help!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should sound virtually the same. Some people claim that seperate chambers (especially in sealed boxes) has better SQ, but i don't think it makes much of a difference.

I usually put subs in the same chamber, because you get more over-all volume (otherwise you loose the airspace that the "divider" is displacing - not a lot, but its still more airspace).

The only reason to ever run seperate chambers IMO is if you have the subs on different brands or types of amplifiers, or if the subs are different brands or types..... but doing that is stupid in general.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks ghetto thats what I was thinking anyway any thoughts on the vent location?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having vent on a different side of the enclosure is usually best. Having a divider is more bracing, so you may find some advantage if the enclosure is larger.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks jif any suggestions on which (different side)? or just any side other than the subs? Also is it better to have the vent as straight as possible or for it to turn?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey JIF I was checking out that box you built and posted pics of back in july ( the osb box) I love that design; would that design make it hit louder than just a regular straight vent? I know you built it to direct pressure through an armrest but would it work well in a truck cab. If it would make that big of a difference I would stick with my single sub instead getting another. Also what was the total port volume? That is if you don't mind your design being "borrowed" I'm planning on starting a new box tommorrow if you could get back soon I would appreciate it Thanks alot! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhettoTaurus wrote:

The only reason to ever run seperate chambers IMO is if you have the subs on different brands or types of amplifiers, or if the subs are different brands or types.QUOTE]

Hmmmm, what if one of the subs quit working (blows, or becomes disconnected)? The "working" airspace in the enclosure will change. The second (non-working) sub"tries" to act as a passive radiator but can't due to the motor structure making the cone very hard to move correctly. Not real good for the operating subwoofer! Given enough power and duration, you could end up buying 2 new subs as replacements.

Seperate chambers will allow EACH sub to act independantly if need be (as in situation above). True the divider will take up some space, but is the .02cuft of lost air worth a pair of lost subs? Just something to consider.........**** does happen!

As far as placement of the vents, it really depends on the vehicle application. SUV's sound great with subs and vent(s) facing up. You typically want the vent and speaker on the same plane (facing same direction). This is the easiest way to keep the sound wave in alighnment, although NOT the only way. CRX's seem to get louder with the subs up and vents to the rear. As for trunk cars.......trial and error.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

XMAX-1 wrote:

Hmmmm, what if one of the subs quit working (blows, or becomes disconnected)? The "working" airspace in the enclosure will change. The second (non-working) sub"tries" to act as a passive radiator but can't due to the motor structure making the cone very hard to move correctly. Not real good for the operating subwoofer! Given enough power and duration, you could end up buying 2 new subs as replacements.

Seperate chambers will allow EACH sub to act independantly if need be (as in situation above). True the divider will take up some space, but is the .02cuft of lost air worth a pair of lost subs? Just something to consider.........**** does happen!


Have you ever seen this happen? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or critical, but I don't see that particular case being a big issue. So I'm wondering if you've ever heard of someone blowing 1 sub, and then it causing the other sub in the enclosure to blow also.

I just don't quite see how that would be so catastrophic for a subwoofer. I mean, if you just double the box size... well you'll probably just make it louder and lower, especially if its a smaller box. For competition-type set ups... I can see that being an issue, But for most daily drivers I think you could disconnect the other sub for a month and run 1 sub in a shared box and it wouldn't cause it to blow.

I'm not trying to be an ass, I just want some more clearification on this issue.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both of you have good points but I see what X is getting at better to be safe than sorry if possible my original reason was because the box was going to be an odd shape and I wouldn't be able to get both chambers the same size but I think I can make it work out now I'm just not going to be able to but the box where I originally wanted so I'm just gonna put it in the backseat. As far as the vent locations it is going to be in a truck cab so what ever works best in an suv would probably work about the same in my case. I think I'll try facing the subs and vents up thanks for the help guys.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhettoTaurus wrote:
Have you ever seen this happen? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or critical, but I don't see that particular case being a big issue. So I'm wondering if you've ever heard of someone blowing 1 sub, and then it causing the other sub in the enclosure to blow also.

I just don't quite see how that would be so catastrophic for a subwoofer. I mean, if you just double the box size... well you'll probably just make it louder and lower, especially if its a smaller box. For competition-type set ups... I can see that being an issue, But for most daily drivers I think you could disconnect the other sub for a month and run 1 sub in a shared box and it wouldn't cause it to blow.

I'm not trying to be an ass, I just want some more clearification on this issue.
Actually, yes.I have seen it happen before, and it has happened to me personally. It doesn't happen alot, but it does happen. Better safe than sorry. For moderate power and knowing the system, I assume it would be OK to do. But in a common chamber, if one sub goes out for whatever reason, IT WILL have a negative affect on it's counterpart. MAybe not to the point of damage, but just in sound quality alone. AND with seperate chambers, it easy to tell which speaker isn't operating. And you're not being an ass. Very good statement/question you had there. :drunk:
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